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Kyubbi · Jun 29, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Very good

cant wait for it lol i hope my 4yr. old pc can handle it haha

Just stop comparing it to other games lol. Wait till it comes out and criticize which is better but for now talk about the thread itself!

Avarre · Jun 29, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

If SC2 showed anything it's that very little at this stage is final. Graphics/concepts are all subject to a lot of change from here on. I'm well inclined to trust Blizzard to make decent development choices and listen to community feedback, so developments from here on should be interesting.

Tosha · Jun 29, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

*explodes*

I forgot how much I looked forward to D3 until I saw those videos.

*explodes again*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGG Dont....want...to....wait...any....longer

BlackSephir · Jun 29, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Tyla

/Agree
I really screwed my character up in DII...

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# Respecs are likely to be included.

:3
No moar getting to 99th and realizing "shit sucks".

Abedeus · Jun 29, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

:3
No moar getting to 99th and realizing "shit sucks".

Hehe. Every ladder reset I usually had 2-3 sorceresses, blizzard, chain thunder/thunder, fire ball... And only two first got to level 80 just to realise both are kinda bad.

pamelf · Jun 29, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

I'm really looking forward to this...really really looking forward to it. Looks awesome, and still seems to retain the things that made the original and it's sequel great.

Avarre · Jun 29, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Hehe. Every ladder reset I usually had 2-3 sorceresses, blizzard, chain thunder/thunder, fire ball... And only two first got to level 80 just to realise both are kinda bad.

Bliz sorcs are awesome.

DarkSlinger · Jun 29, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Omg I almost missed it during the gameplay demo.
Towards the end with the final creature, one of the warriors gets biten in half.
ahhh

Ah switching skills mid combat instead of going into town rocks.

The Red Messenger · Jun 29, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

yeah ive gotta get this game now

i always played necromancer in D2...i wonder if the witchdoctor is replacing necro? it looks like the same thing except it summons allies out of thin air instead of from corpses

Burst Cancel · Jun 29, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Bliz sorcs are awesome.

Actually, all three of those sorcs were awesome. 7-frame Fireball sorcs were lolz in duels, and Infinity Light sorcs destroyed PvM hard.

I'm looking forward to 7f teleports in a 3D environment.

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

yeah ive gotta get this game now

i always played necromancer in D2...i wonder if the witchdoctor is replacing necro? it looks like the same thing except it summons allies out of thin air instead of from corpses

At this point the Witch Doctor seems categorically better than the necro. He doesn't need corpses for his summons, and his minion explosion does ridiculous damage; if you watch the Siegebreaker fight, the minion explosions appear to do significantly more damage than any other attacks used.

Chthon · Jun 30, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Looks fantastic. Sure, it's 1996-style gameplay, but I loved it back then, and I can't see why that needs to change.

If anything bothers me, it's the blood-and-guts level (a guy gets his head bitten off!) that's going to discourage some of the more sensitive people in my life from every playing it with me.

The other thing is the fact that Vivendi is pure evil, and I have a lot of trouble justifying giving them money. Maybe I'll have to buy the game, then pirate something of theirs to assuage my conscience...

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Besides, it's Blizzard. They are like Halve - no bad games yet. And the only bad game was cancelled, Starcraft: Ghost for consoles.

Death and Return of Superman sucked pretty bad....

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Actually, all three of those sorcs were awesome. 7-frame Fireball sorcs were lolz in duels, and Infinity Light sorcs destroyed PvM hard.

I'm looking forward to 7f teleports in a 3D environment.

I hope they abandon frame-based skill timing in favor of something time-based with a high granularity. They never really balanced things well at the frame level. For example, towards the end, things reached a point where you had a 4-frame melee attack or you didn't, and little else mattered. (Much to the irritation of my wolf druid, who couldn't achieve 4 frames with any combination of gear and skills.) I'd like to see the game be less about hitting frame breakpoints than D2 came to be.

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At this point the Witch Doctor seems categorically better than the necro. He doesn't need corpses for his summons, and his minion explosion does ridiculous damage; if you watch the Siegebreaker fight, the minion explosions appear to do significantly more damage than any other attacks used.

Yes, but he also looks categorically "gheyer" than the necro. (Please, forgive the slur, but that seems like the most accurate word.) I'd be happy with the new witch doctor skillset on a necro.

DarkNecrid · Jun 30, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

Actually it was canceled because Blizzard North shut down after most of the unit's employees left between 2003-2005. So a new team started fresh after that.

But yeah, Blizzard has the money and courage to cancel games rather than release shitty ones.

actually the lead designer said this has been in the works since LOD, so yeah.

It's just like StarCraft 2 in that respect, which has been in developement for a long ass time.

Burst Cancel · Jun 30, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Chthon

I hope they abandon frame-based skill timing in favor of something time-based with a high granularity. They never really balanced things well at the frame level. For example, towards the end, things reached a point where you had a 4-frame melee attack or you didn't, and little else mattered. (Much to the irritation of my wolf druid, who couldn't achieve 4 frames with any combination of gear and skills.) I'd like to see the game be less about hitting frame breakpoints than D2 came to be.

Actually, the frame timing issue brings up another point - there doesn't seem to be significant hitstun in D3. In D2, hitstun kicked in at 12% of your maximum health, but I don't see that here. I think the only stuns the player characters incurred were when they were hit by boss attacks (the T.Pounder's double slash/slam, and the Siegebreaker's swipes). I'm pretty sure there were early instances where they lost similar amounts of health.

I actually liked the frame system, as you basically built sets of gear with sharp tradeoffs between speed, power, mobility, etc. As a bowzon, for instance, you could run matriarchal bows with lots of IAS to hit the magical 7f breakpoint for block/stunlock, or you could pack a more damaging bow and +damage while hitting 8 or 9f. Casting breakpoints had similar tradeoffs - more +skills for raw damage, or more casting speed for the 7f breakpoint? In short, you didn't get to manage your abilities on a smooth sliding scale - you had to consider, from a tactical standpoint, which breakpoints you wanted to hit for attack speed, hit recovery, cast, etc. and what sort of equipment sacrifices you had to make. The fact that druids could never reach 4f is a separate balance issue specific to druids, I think.

Finally, I think the main issue with the frame system in Diablo is that it was a 25fps system rather than the 60fps system used in, e.g., all fighting games. I think 60f gives it enough granularity that the difference between 4f and 5f wouldn't mean automatic loss. It could, I suppose, be argued that the 60fps system is only really useful in a realtime, lagless environment like a console/arcade game.

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Yes, but he also looks categorically "gheyer" than the necro. (Please, forgive the slur, but that seems like the most accurate word.) I'd be happy with the new witch doctor skillset on a necro.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the look either. But, I've kind of given up on Diablo holding its atmosphere. D2 already took a huge step away from the claustrophobic, gothic-horror-feel of the original Diablo. D3 is just another big step in the same direction. I originally started playing Diablo for the atmosphere and style (like many, my first encounter with The Butcher was unforgettable), but by the time I'd seriously gotten into D2, I'd turned it into a purely mechanics game.

Avarre · Jun 30, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Actually, all three of those sorcs were awesome. 7-frame Fireball sorcs were lolz in duels, and Infinity Light sorcs destroyed PvM hard.

I always had 300-400+ ping in Asia, so I never got to enjoy fcr above a certain level (especially with teleport). I just made bliz sorcs because blizzard doesn't miss from lag

buckscrib · Jun 30, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I've never played Diablo, but all I've ever heard is good.

Yichi · Jun 30, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I can't lie. The thought of Diablo3 gives me a much warmer feeling now.

Anet, you have every right to worry, I would be if I were you.

Avarre · Jun 30, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Yichi

I can't lie. The thought of Diablo3 gives me a much warmer feeling now.

Anet, you have every right to worry, I would be if I were you.

If I'm not too busy in the Army when this comes out, let's blitz d3. In hardcore.

Arkantos · Jun 30, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Sujoy

when I saw teh gameplay trailer, I was like... graphics are meh

but now I realise it's good to avoid high graphics so anybody can run it on a fairly good gaming PC while managing to fight off SWARMS of mobs and dishing out BAZILLIONS of spell and summoning KATRILLION of undead minions.... awesome.

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also the game is going to be free multiplayer, following along with its predecessor in Battle.net

In my opinion, graphics don't matter, as long as they aren't completely horrible. Gameplay is what I care about.

And yes, free multiplayer owns.

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If I'm not too busy in the Army when this comes out, let's blitz d3. In hardcore.

Play with me kk?

zwei2stein · Jun 30, 2008, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

In my opinion, graphics don't matter, as long as they aren't completely horrible. Gameplay is what I care about.

And yes, free multiplayer owns.

Play with me kk?

Can i leech you, guys, kkthx?

kidding, kidding...

(About graphics, gameplay video had freaking rainbows! IMHO, blizzard will make it darker, its Diablo after all...)

Showtime · Jun 30, 2008, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the look either. But, I've kind of given up on Diablo holding its atmosphere. D2 already took a huge step away from the claustrophobic, gothic-horror-feel of the original Diablo. D3 is just another big step in the same direction. I originally started playing Diablo for the atmosphere and style (like many, my first encounter with The Butcher was unforgettable), but by the time I'd seriously gotten into D2, I'd turned it into a purely mechanics game.

You said it... the butcher part made that game and would be something neat to check out if you never played it b4. I was hoping GW would have something evil like that when I went into the various tombs/undead areas, but oh well. Maybe gw2 or d3 will add some better storytelling to go with better mechanics... like my fav... d2's barbarian leaping into whirlwind move...